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KIN Raiders Interview with Excaliber

Heroic: Spine of Deathwing World's First by Korean Guild “즐거운공격대”

KIN Raiders

KIN Raiders

As Spine remains unkilled by any other guild in 25 man, so we figured there might be a very small window of time someone over at Kin Raiders might have to talk to us a little about their current lead in the World Rankings, and so we gave it a shot. Thankfully we got lucky and managed to grab one of their players away from Madness of Deathwing tries long enough to answer some questions about the Korean WoW scene, their guild in particular and, of course, the Spine kill itself. This is just a short chat and we'll have a full Raiding Pinnacle with them as soon as they're done with progress.

First things first, let's talk about the guild and yourself a little!

Hi there, I'm Excaliber and I play Enhancement Shaman in 즐거운공격대. There are so many things I'd like to talk about concerning my guild, but I think it's best to start with a story about our leader Jjapaghetti (Jjapa). Jjapa plays a Prot Warrior and most of the tactics we play come out of his brain. He made 즐거운공격대 with three of his college mates in Burning Crusade on the Blackmoore (KR) server. At first, his goal was to be realm first, but as the guild got bigger, so did the goal. 즐거운공격대 started to draw Korean users' attention when we achieved 3rd Kil'jaeden kill in Korea. Since Sunwell Plateau, qualified players kept joining the guild and before the gate of Icecrown Citadel, 즐거운공격대 was ready to hit the number one spot in Korea and to probably be among the top world guilds. However, on the first week of Icecrown Heroic, Jjapa suddenly had to leave the guild for personal reasons. 거대괴수곰탱, who became the next leader tried his best to hold the guild together, but the absence of Jjapa hit the guild so hard that more than half of the raid members left. 즐거운공격대 still managed to kill the Lich King in heroic and ranked 9th in Korea, but the guild was clearly in decline.

Then, Jjapa came back to WoW right before Cataclysm. He contacted old raid members, recruited new players, and re-established his leadership in a short amount of time. With its leader back, 즐거운공격대 became the first guild to clear t11 instances in Korea. In tier12, we set our goal to be in the world top 5 and moved to Kargath (KR) to play on a more populated server, but the raid attendance still caused a lot problems at the end of t12. As you know, Ragnaros heroic forced many guilds to use classes with specified abilities: AOE for the 2nd phase and a powerful finishing blow the 3rd phase. We didn't have enough players and classes to optimize the composition and even with much of the tactic already completed, we barely passed the top 10 bar of the t12 race.

For Dragon Soul, I'm confident to tell you that we have the best players ever in the history of 즐거운공격대. Since tier11, 10-man raiding has become extremely popular in Korea and many 25-man raid guilds got disbanded. Qualified players all around Korean servers knocked on 즐거운공격대's door to enjoy the hardcore 25-man raid and to make a grand finale for Cataclysm raids. The World first Spine of Deathwing heroic kill was definitely a great thing to experience as a WoW raider, but we know the real race begins now with so many great raiding guilds all around the world. I'm pretty sure many guilds starting with names like Paragon will figure out an answer to Spine, and we are ready to compete with them. :)

The following is how we did in past raids. I do not know the world ranking for the instances before Cataclysm:

Sunwell Plateau: Kil'jaeden - 3rd in Korea

Ulduar: Yogg-saron - 2nd in Korea (2009/8/7)
Trial of the crusader: Anubarak - 4th in Korea (2009/9/21)
Icecrown Citadel: The Lich King - 9th in Korea (2010/5/17)


Tier 11: Nefarian - 1st in Korea, 14th in the world (2011/2/8)
Tier 12: Ragnaros - 25man 1st in Korea, 10th in the world (2011/8/5)

How many active raiders do you have at the moment (fully geared people who are standing by to jump in the main raid)?

We started the tier 13 raid with about 50 people.

Do you only run one main raid that focuses on the first kills or more?

For the heroic instance, we only run one main raid. After we kill a heroic boss, we clear the same boss 2 or 3 more times in normal instances with stand by members and alts to maximize the loots

Have you been using the double resets that were available in Firelands, and for how long?

I do not know the exact date, but the double resets applied on Korean server around the end of October, and yes it somewhat helped us to gear up our members and especially alts.

How many Dragonwraths do you have in the guild?

19 members have Dragonwrath. Four of them joined the guild with Dragonwrath right before patch 4.3. Five of them made Dragonwrath on their on using party channel raid with random ppl. Ten of them could make Dragonwrath via guild raids.

How many alts do each of your raiders have?

About one third of the raiders have none, and the rest have various number of alts ranging from 1 to 10. I myself play seven alts.

Did a significant number of your players get banned due to the LFR exploit or did you manage to avoid that whole thing?

None of us got banned because of the LFR exploit. We were well aware of the LFR exploit, but didn't use it. The reason was simple: using it seemed an extremely dangerous thing to do.

Did you do anything different for this Progress patch than before?

Korean raid guilds always suffer from raid attendance. During tier 11, Paid Character Transfer to Blackmoore (KR) server was locked, and we had to play with only 28 raid members. Many of the tries we had were with less than 24 people. After t11, we transferred to Kargath(KR) and we could secure about 40 to 50 members for Firelands. But as the tries got longer, a lot of members, especially who used to standby more, left the guild, and this became a serious problem when we reached Ragnaros. The number of raid members reduced to 27 again. We basically completed most of the tactics for Ragnaros before Dream Paragon shared their kill-movie, but we simply didn't have enough people to use the tactics in practice. In order to solve this problem, we focused on playing alts as well as recruiting new members. Many of our main members played at least two or three alts in Firelands, and this alt-playing helped us a lot so far in t13. For example, we were forced to play with a certain DPS composition for spine of Deathwing, and I played a Mage instead of my own Enhancement Shaman.

Take us through the road to the Spine World First.

Everyone knows how good it feels when you down a seemingly impossible boss. At first, burning tendon had about 42 million HP. We started SDW on Dec 10th, and after about a day, we were able to blow one plate off, but everyone was simply drowning in the pool of Corrupted bloods. On top of that, Blood corruption: Earth was not working as intended. A hotfix regarding SDW went into effect on Dec 12 and the health pools of everything on the Spine was reduced. The hotfix mentioned fixing Blood corruption: Earth, but that part wasn't applied until the server maintenance on Thursday. Anyway, we could cut off one more plate before maintenance and we knew what we needed to do. We decided which classes to gear up first and after server maintenance, focused on maximizing loot for those chosen classes

On friday night, we started with SDW again, and this time Blood corruption: Earth was working just fine as intended. From that point on, everything went so smooth. What we had to do was tuning for the last 1% of the tactic. We actually could kill it on Saturday morning, but everyone got so excited and our hands got so shaky whenever we reached the last tendon.

We knew this could be the one and only chance to achieve WFK (even though it's not the last boss) and Dream Paragon was right behind us. Blood legion and Vodka were also two days ahead of us. However, we were confident that we could kill it this week, and as mentioned above, everything was figured out already before the maintenance. I'm very happy that we could kill it first. We were well prepared and did our best for the first kill. Now we face the Madness of Deathwing, and if we can do as we did in SDW, I'm pretty sure we can surprise the world once again.

As WoW players in Korea, do you get some attention, compared to the huge E-sports stars over there, considering how big Starcraft 2 is? Do you think that might change now that you have a World First and potentially a WF Endboss?

We are popular among WoW players, but not like the Starcraft players. There is a professional Starcraft league (E-sports) in Korea, and they are on TV! I don't think WF endboss kill would change much.

Original: Manaflask

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Heart of the Aspects Mount

Heart of the Aspects

Heart of the Aspects

Heart of the Aspects
Binds when picked up
Requires Level 20
Requires Apprentice Riding
Item Level 20
Use: Teaches you how to summon this mount. This mount changes depending on your Riding skill and location.

The model seems to be based on Neltharion before his corruption. It is also golden, like the Dragon Soul. It may have something to do with the fact that the Dragon Soul was made from Neltharion's blood before he became corrupted.

Also know as Chromatic Dragon Mount.

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Chromatic Dragon / Soul of the Aspects Pet Video

The Chromatic Dragon pet was updated since the last time we featured it, so here is an new video with the current model and animations. (The dragon's breath at 0:45 may be slightly bugged)

Also know as Soul of the Aspects

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H: Spine of Deathwing Second Kill by “In extremis”

For world's first, please check here.

Another Heroic: Spine of Deathwing kill, and once again by a Korean guild.

I have no doubt strategies were shared in-between the guilds in order to gain more ranking for Koreans.

But where is EU/US? Supposedly Paragon has been farming some of the older trinkets (cough- Sorrowsong -cough) ...

H: Spine of Deathwing Dec 19, 2011 10:19 2 2 1 2977.78 / 3000.00

Raid Setup

- Unholyfrenzy
- Lakiel

- 휘로

- 마밥상
- 라플라시얀
- 보들보들흑마

- Forestlord

- Noin

- Mackgyver

1 member is unknown.


Herald of the Titans Guide for Cataclysm

At the end of Wrath of the Lich King I was part of the one and only group on my realm that was going for “Herald of the Titans” achievement. This achievement requires you to kill Algalon (the heroic-mode only boss in Ulduar) only wearing gear of equivalent item level of the gear that drops in 10-man Ulduar. And once you do that, you get the title; Herald of the Titans.

After many months of gearing up ourselves and countless other people who would join for a bit, only to disappear soon after, we finally had a team of people in full gear, ready to destroy Algalon. Since in those days you only had an hour per week to put in attempts on Algalon, it took us quite a few weeks…. and I was very lucky, I managed to get the achievement just a short while before the shattering.

Later on during Cataclysm I learned that the “Herald of the Titans” - achievement would still be obtainable, even in Cataclysm. As long as all the participating characters were level 80. After finding this out I decided to try to make a new team for it and get it again, since it was so awesome the first time.

And sure enough, after about 2 months of setting up a team and gearing it up, we had a full team of 11 people and with that team we went into Ulduar and smacked Algalon in the face! (We also went back the week after and did it again for that last 11th person of course)


Defeat Algalon the Observer in 10-player mode at level 80 without anyone in the raid wearing any equipment with an item level higher than is available in 10-player Ulduar.

Item Levels

  • Armor items must have item level 226 or lower (this includes relics, sigils etc.)
  • Weapons must have item level 232 or lower (main hand, off-hand, shields, wands, ranged weapons)
  • The gear doesn’t have to drop in Ulduar, it can come from anywhere as long as it meets the item level requirements. This includes PvP gear and even BoA gear.

Gear Enchants

  • Cataclysm enchants and gems require higher item levels than what you can use in Ulduar so you’ll need to use Wrath of the Lich King enchants and gems. Crafting professions self-enchants (such as Tailoring’s cloak enchant) do not require high item levels and will work just fine.
  • All types (epic, blue) of Wrath of the Lich King gems and enchants work.
  • Reforging is allowed and recommended. Most classes will want to reforge into Mastery since it scales so ridiculously well at level 80.


  • Both Cataclysm flasks and food works just fine and is strongly recommended since it’ll provide all of you with huge stat increases (+390 useful stat, +90 stamina).
  • Bring some seafood magnifique and a cauldron. If none of the level 80s can make them, you can have someone else put down the feast/cauldron just outside the raid for all of you. Just make sure that the person is in the raid when he or she puts down the feast/cauldron.


  • First of all, don’t forget to lock your character’s XP once it has reached level 80. You don’t want to accidentally level up and get to level 81…
  • I highly recommend getting the Ulduar part for DBM or BigWigs, whatever boss mod you use.
  • You no longer need a key to enter Algalon’s room.
  • Algalon doesn’t disappear after an hour of the first attempt on him anymore, so no need to rush it.


  • Gearing up can be fast or slow, whatever you and your group likes. If you want to take it slow then all you need to do is to run Ulduar continously for a while. You should be able to get all the gear you need from there. But if you like to speed it up a bit, and if you like to get your hands on some better items then it is highly recommended to grind for some Justice Point gear and to do the Icecrown Citadel dungeons and Trial of the Champion, often.
  • The fastest way of grinding Justice Points is by doing the level 80 Cataclysm normal dungeons.
  • The ilvl 200 Darkmoon Card: Greatness trinket is best in slot for all dpsers and healers due to the way stat values changed with Cataclysm.


Justice Points
WotlK dungeon tier: ilvl 200
Naxx tier: ilvl 213
Ulduar tier: ilvl 226
Trial of the Champion
Normal mode: ilvl 200
Heroic mode: ilvl 219
Icecrown Citadel dungeons (Forge of Souls, Pit of Saron & Halls of Reflection)
Normal mode: ilvl 219
Heroic mode: ilvl 232

And lastly, don’t forget that this is a time-commitment for at least a few weeks up to a few months. Make sure you have people you can rely on to show up to raids in your team or you’ll be cursed to deal with replacements over and over and over again…

Original: rapidfirewow

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Heroic: Spine of Deathwing World’s First by Korean Guild “즐거운공격대”

HOLY SH^#!!!! Koren guild “즐거운공격대” a.k.a "KIN Raiders" have done the impossible? Heroic: Spine of Deathwing is officially down.

KIN Raiders

KIN Raiders

I am pretty sure I read somewhere a while ago that KR/TW would get 2 resets per week, is this the case? Cannot confirm at this moment ...

However, this is an interesting turnover as "KIN Raiders" are now the only ones able to access Heroic: Madness of Deathwing, this will give Blood Legion and Paragon run for it's money.

Will try and update with the situation as soon as I get more information.


Spine of Deathwing KIN

Spine of Deathwing KIN

Spine of Deathwing KIN

Spine of Deathwing KIN

Raid Composition:

Mage: 4x Fire, 3x Arcane
Druid: 2x Feral
Paladin: 2x Retribution, 1x Holy
Priest: 1x Discipline, 1x Shadow
Rogue: 3x Combat, 1x Assassination, 1x Subtely
Shaman: 3x Elemental, 1x Restoration
Warlock: 1x Affliction
Warrior: 1x Protection


Here is something that was posted on mmo champ forums but quickly removed,

Hey guys, I'm KR server Raid user

It's not specific tactic but I think it's the main tactic

즐거운공격대's spine members were

7 arcane mage with legendary weapon 'Wrath of Tarecgosar'(Sorry I dont' know how to spell in English ^^

5 incognito rougues(Sorry I don't know exact talent name in english; but it's usually pvp talent) and used dark dancing when dealing the rib line is popped up

everybody knows that in Deathwing's spine, momentary dealing is needed very much!

and 즐거운공격대 has solved this dealing problem like this.

and next in healing, they brought 4 restore shamans

I don't know it's a bug, but when Spirit link totem is used, debuff(that reduces player's maximum health by 6 percent every pile)

is gone.

That's how 즐거운공격대 killed the Spine, as I said I don't know specific tactic

sorry for writing in bad English TT

Quote from Manaflask:

It seems that a key factor on the kill might have been arcane Mages using the Legedary staff (reports range from 6-11 in the actual raid) which provided the needed burst DPS to overcome the encounter. Considering the Korean servers have had double Firelands resets for a month and a half now, that certainly impacted their Legendary availability. Nothing is completely confirmed yet, but it seems logical that more Legendaries spread over a large amount of classes lends itself to a very stackable raid and perhaps even a significant advantage. This isn't to take away from their achievement and WF at all, just keeping you up to date with the rumblings going around the community at the moment!

1 - They don't have any more legendary staves available to them than anyone else, I think Paragon has something like 27 staffs now, enough to fill a raid.

2 - The rogues do not have legendaries or even 2nd stage daggers, that would be impossible.

3 - They don't have double lockouts, this was only for firelands, don't qq about extra legendaries, read number 1 again.

4 - Class stacking is not an exploit, you may as well say that bringing good players over bringing your friends to a raid is an exploit. Especially when you consider that it's a world first kill meaning that they only have 2-3 weeks worth of hc gear. The average joe wow player is meant to be able to kill Spine with any raid composition, after you have been grinding the place to properly gear all your players. If they use 5 rogues for the world first this does not mean that any other guild will need to do this if you aren't concerned about going for world firsts. By trying to clear it the first or 2nd week on heroic your raid is actually handicapped, the fights are not built around being possible for that, this is why they stack to make the most out of what's possible.

5 - As for the spirit link exploit, I would reserve your comments until further proof has been found, as there is a lot of conflicting information atm, I see some people saying they had 5 shamans but then some say only one is resto. If there was an exploit to be had with spirit link they wouldn't have brought only 1 resto because they'd only have 1 spirit link every few minutes + there would be no point. Also we've no idea if the hotfix is live etc.

6 - Stop being dicks, it's not a world first kill "by default", for this I will give u an example. If an Olympic gold medalist is disqualified for taking drugs, they are shunned and people loose respect for them. When the medal is won again people do not go "That guy only won because so + so isn't here". They say "good on them for winning and doing it with dignity" If someone is justly disqualified for being cheats, that's their problem. They basically agreed that they were ok with being banned when they decided to abuse the LFR, if you read how they did it, it should be clear to you that it's not something you can do "by accident" and anyone with a basic knowledge of wow would know right away it was an unintended bug. If you find something like that but continue to use it you are either naive or saying to everyone "Im fine with being banned".

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SteelSeries World of Warcraft Cataclysm MMO Gaming Mouse

SteelSeries World of Warcraft Cataclysm MMO Gaming Mouse

SteelSeries World of Warcraft Cataclysm MMO Gaming Mouse

Developed for World of Warcraft players by SteelSeries and Blizzard Entertainment, the World of Warcraft: Cataclysm MMO Gaming Mouse invokes the iconic imagery of Deathwing the Destroyer, leader of the black dragonflight and instigator of the Cataclysm. The SteelSeries World of Warcraft: Cataclysm MMO Gaming Mouse is fully scalable to meet and exceed the requirements of even the most demanding World of Warcraft gamer.

Technical Details

  • 16 million illumination choices with 3 intensity and pulsation levels
  • Over 130 predefined commands for drag-and-drop macro creation
  • Save up to 10 profiles in armory and 1 profile directly on the mouse
  • Superior ergonomics
  • A total of 14 programmable buttons
  • Compatible with Mac and PC
  • HD laser sensor technology

Designed for World of Warcraft: Cataclysm

The Cataclysm MMO Gaming Mouse offers full in-game integration in World of Warcraft. All 14 buttons are individually recognized and can be assigned using the game user interface. The A+ gaming-grade laser sensor is the same laser sensor that is also in the award-winning SteelSeries Xai mouse--the same sensor used by champion First Person Shooter (FPS) gamers that demand the ultimate precision.

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You can customize virtually anything on the Cataclysm MMO Gaming Mouse, from illumination customization up to 16 million different colors, to fully customizable and powerful macro binding capability. The improved user interface includes drag-and-drop button assignment, easily customizable macros plus advanced macro delays, and complete compatibility with both Windows (Win XP or later) and Mac operating systems.

Bind all 14 buttons directly from the World of Warcraft interface, without ever leaving the game. The onboard memory module allows the onboard storage of a customized profile, including custom macros and binds. Create and store up to 10 custom profiles linked directly to the Armory.

System Requirements

PC with USB port, latest release of the SteelSeries Engine software, and World of Warcraft game. Works with Windows XP, Vista, Windows 7, and Mac OSX (configuration software available for Windows only).

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Mists of Pandaria Release Date on Amazon Already? September, 2012

There are "speculations" running around that Amazon (German) got the release date of Mists of Pandaria. If you search for "Mists of Pandaria" it returns:

"This item will be released on September 30, 2012"

However, the US/English version of the site clearly states:

Official pricing and release date have not been announced by the publisher. These are estimates only and subject to change.

That would mean we have to spend another 10 months in Dragon Soul ... Which would be a F$^$ING nightmare ...

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Miniature Winter Veil Tree

Miniature Winter Veil Tree

Miniature Winter Veil Tree

Miniature Winter Veil Tree
Binds when equipped
Speed 1.80
695 - 1291 Damage
(551.7 damage per second)
+262 Stamina
+174 Agility
Requires Level 85
Item Level 378
Equip: Improves hit rating by 116.
Equip: Improves haste rating by 116.

Cannot transmogrify, reward from Feast of Winter Veil Stolen Present

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Lump of Coal Pet

Lump of Coal

Lump of Coal

Lump of Coal
Binds when picked up
Item Level 20
Use: Teaches you how to summon this companion.

Right Click to summon and dismiss your coal elemental.

Reward from Stolen Present

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